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Humanity and Gods

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:45 pm
by maha
Question from Jana Grigorjeva:

Dear Hari!

If God (Gods) is Energy and the Constant (beyond time), and paganism, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Krishnaism, Mohammedanism, Christianity e.t.c. are the humanity’s endeavor to comprehend life and time in different times of history, to put God (Gods) into a shape or form, then my questions are the following:
1. Does it mean, that the humanity has been always remembering and aware of God, primordially (since the beginning of time)?
2. Does it mean, that the humanity was thrown out "like a kitten on a street" (survive, if it does)?
3. Why God (Gods) required such variety of the forms of worship primordially?
4. Have God (Gods) decided Themselves to "slave", meaning to follow the forms of perception of Gods, offered by the humanity, originating from their domestic cultures, conditions and ways of life, ways of thinking, kinds of perception? Or is it a series of chances, chaos, mutual quest and assertions (who is who)?
5. What is the ultimate form of perception of God (Gods)? Is it "Conversations with God", New-Age, or just meditation under the starry sky, or something else, or is it a continuation of the game: "from Spiritual World to Material World; from Material World to Spiritual World"?
6. If God has launched this game and we are required to God, why there is so much pain on Earth?

Thank you for everything!
yours faithfully,
Jana Grigorjeva

Re: Humanity and Gods

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:51 pm
by Hari
If God (Gods) is Energy and the Constant (beyond time), and paganism, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Krishnaism, Mohammedanism, Christianity e.t.c. are the humanity’s endeavor to comprehend life and time in different times of history, to put God (Gods) into a shape or form, then my questions are the following
1. Does it mean, that the humanity has been always remembering and aware of God, primordially (since the beginning of time)? :
I cannot answer this question as it presupposes I have either personal experience about the start of time or that I am in communication with someone who does. I can guess that people have always wanted to know more about their world and have always felt some greater presence and power beyond themselves. From the time people had enough awareness to try to understand the divine, they have been doing so.
2. Does it mean, that the humanity was thrown out like a kitten on a street (survive, if it does)?
I do not see how question 2 follows your initial premise or question 1. I do not think we were thrown out like kittens in the street. I would not throw a kitten into the street, so why would God?
3. Why God (Gods) required such variety of the forms of worship primordially?
I cannot say if they required it or if we pushed it on them. That man worships the supreme is natural. How man does that depends on how man feels, what facility man has or can create, and how man's thought has been molded by a belief system created by other men.
4. Have God (Gods) decided Themselves to slave, meaning to follow the forms of perception of Gods, offered by the humanity, originating from their domestic cultures, conditions and ways of life, ways of thinking, kinds of perception? Or is it a series of chances, chaos, mutual quest and assertions (who is who)?
Is the form and personality (or lack of it) of God a creation of man according to man's culture or did it evolve through time by chance? Perhaps it is a combination of both. What if man had some experiences of the divine and translated these experiences into descriptions relevant to his fellow man? Would these descriptions not correspond to the environment within which man lived? I think so.

Considering this, can we say that such conceptions are relevant? They only have value when they are reflections of actual spiritual realizations. When religious ideas facilitate sincere seekers of the truth to understand themselves and the Supreme, they fulfill their purpose.

However, even though some of these religions and realizations served me well in my previous lives, I do not presently wish to follow the dictates of such created systems. Having said that, my experiences in the eastern paths were very valuable to me in this life.
5. What is the ultimate form of perception of God (Gods)? Is it 'Conversations with God', New-Age, or just meditation under the starry sky, or something else, or is it a continuation of the game: from Spiritual World to Material World; from Material World to Spiritual World?
My method of perceiving God is to tune to the divine by being deeply aware of my essence and then tuning to energies around me. I stand before the Deities or the Divinity and tune to them by allowing their energy to wash over me as I absorb it. By floating within their space I feel them and their love. I then reciprocate that loving feeling by sending my love and entering into a divine embrace. Thus we become one of us. In such a state, communication becomes easy.
6. If God has launched this game and we are required to God, why there is so much pain on Earth?
I cannot confirm or deny that God launched this game, or that it is a game at all. I am here to experience. Being that I am what I am, I always endeavor to be a loving participant in my experiences and I am not happy with me when I fail to be so. I feel pain when I cannot be all that I can be or when I act beneath my standards.

We all know about the sources of pain in our worlds, but we are not so aware of how we are partly responsible for creating this pain in others and ourselves.

God has facilitated our experiences. We have used the facility as we thought best. We share the responsibility for our creation.

A few of my lectures address this point in much greater detail.