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[kamalamala1]

There is nothing to do with fearlessness ,complitly oposit it is low class people full of fear can write as he wrote.
To come ones house and say nasty things it is in your opinion fealessnes,it is inpudans,
Wath you are saying about democrasy it is not at all appropriate
democrasy have nothing to do with comon cultaral etitude.
If you like so much democrasy then open your own personal web site and put theere wath all your enemys think about you.
Even in democratic countryes if one offending the other person he will get a good lesson,or in your country is not like that?
And nothing new in his point of vew since actually he doesnt have any point of vew he is just reapeting wath we all allwready heard 10000 years ago.
He is realy stupid.
If you like him then you are his doctore,maybe you can heal him.
There was some people who wrote nasty things about Prabhupad and Hari stoped it
So why this stupid guy should not be stoped or kicked away.
Free choise that everybody can have his own point of vew not at all that everybody should tolarate the offenses.
You have a very strange understanding of free choise.

[harsi]

You have a very strange understanding of free choice.

You are the best example of someone who lived most of his life in a closed and oppressed society, the way the Communistic one of the USSR was. I happened to live most of my life as a child and as an adult man in a more free society, the one Germany developed in after the second world war. Here the free expresion of someone without fearing to be opressed or looked down upon became a popular understood culture, promoted by the state and its various institutions and judiciary systems. Even the Communists and their understanding and views of things are protected by the state. In Berlin the former Communistic Party now called "Die Linke" (The Left (-Alternative) is a member of the Government. A few month ago they entered for the first time in recent German history the Parliament of a German state (Germany is a federal state-union of 16 somehow independent states and parliaments) They got voted in in Saarland by 23 percent by the people from that "Land (germ)" or country of the German Union of States.

[kamalamala1]

You mean that in Germany people can spit in each other face?
And this is ok . And this is freedom in your understanding?
Nothing wrong to have point of vew .
But it have nothing to do with the isue of my letters.
If one is offensife then who cares about his point of vew.
And offender should be stoped.
If somebody offend your beloved parents, wife or let say your autority let say Prabhupad you will say that it is his point of vew.
It is your logic?

Everything is very simple.

This guy is realy stupid ,and i am specialy making accent on this point since he is inpudant and trying his best to offend Hari ,it is his only purpose to write anything in this web site even super fools can see it,i dont know how you dont understand that.
He doesnt apear here to discuse any Philosophi any other topic he just apearing to offend Hari and Hari is my beloved firend and more then that he is one who saved my life many time it is much more then any artifitial cheap jagat guru idea



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[prajalpaspeaker]

The Wolf is running after the Cow, and can not keep up, so it wishes and wishes that the Cow will die, so that it can eat the Cow. BUT THE COW DOES NOT CARE WHAT THE WOLVES WISH!

I opened this thread more than 4 years.

We took our Vows together, Hari and i. He wanted the status of Sanyasi,he took our respect as a swami, he took those vows, later he broke them. It is not a big deal to you maybe, and i don't really care either. But it is a fall down from an elevated position, that is what it is called.

[prajalpaspeaker]

Hey you stupid demon Prajalpa.... so on

Do you think that if one married he is fallen ?.

I never said that, rather if you look, i wrote. I have great respect for those who are married. Sanayasis are politicians mostly, wanting respect.

Our philosophy is that you Live the Vedic Life when you Engage in the Chanting of Hare Krishna with FAMILY, Children and Wife along with Cows on your land!

Where did i disrespect Family Life?

[kamalamala1]

In spirituality there are no elevated position it is not like mundane affair to get more elavated.
You yourself showing how artificial this idea of Sanyasi.
It is forbiden in Kali yuga.

Do you think that when Nityananda Prabhu took two wifes he became less elavated.?
Or when Dhruva maharaj took a wife he became less realised?

You are just writing words without meaning.

And it is great that Hari got out from that artifitial concoted usless status.
Most of the Sanyasis now dayes is cheaters,and if one wise he should go out from that artifitial stage.
But you are to stupid it seem to understand that.

[Nanda-grama]

Prajalpaspeaker wrote:"we took our Vows together Hari and I. He wanted the status of Sanyasi, he took our respect as a Swami, he took those vows, later he broke them. It is a fall down from an elevated position."
May I continue your thought? "but I didn't break my vows, I steadfastly look after my cows already almost 40 years, I heroically live happy Vedic life with my family! Why do you love this fallen swami, this disgusting politician, this ambitious swindler who only wanted to enjoy our respect as sanyasi and broke even it, -but not me? I'm real hero, I'm also the disciple of Prabhupada, and I didn't fall "
Why do you think that to accept our respect -it is great enjoyment? Ever did strangers wash your feet? Ever did you walk but did all people around you fall on the ground as mad? Ever did you accept 1000 orange sacks for japa in your birthday? Ever was such situation in your life that you had not such person next to you with whom you could have simply usual human talk and this man would not think about great blessing which pours on him through you? Do you think all it is nice things? It is a game, a role, which your beloved Jagat Guru put on Hari. But spiritual duties, vows were other, not connected with a stick called "danda", with washing of feet and so on. He did his duties good and he does it good now. He removed this clothers of sanyasi, this role which became not natural for him or even as some comedy, he stoped to play in this game, but he didn't stop to be spiritual person. I feel so. Problem is in what you know Hari very badly. But you attracted our attention to your person and your cows. I wish you would receive all love and attention which you seek.

[harsi]

In general, a cultured man would apologize immediately (about "fallen swami")

In my opinion that is not really required. Did "Prajalpaspeaker" insult or "offended" someone with this description of how he sees what Hari or Harikesa Swami did ones, the way Kamalamala is doing in his comments "stupid demon", "stupid raskal", "invalid by brain person", "such fool like this zombie", "So why this stupid guy should not be stoped or kicked away."

Of course the expression "fallen swami" could be changed by him, if he likes, into "swami who has stepped down or gave up being a "swami" in the "Hindu" or the understanding of the Hare Krishna "sect", again one of this much debated controversial words, one could express also as "fraction" or "splinter group" of Hinduism or the religious, spiritual and traditional culture of India.

I demanded "Prajalpaspeaker" to explain or excuse himself in relation to what he wrote "this website is for pussies to hang out at." Pussies is a word or sexist expression used in Germany to denote certain woman, and certain parts of their body, but it seems in the American language, Prajalpaspeaker is living in the USA, it is not used so much in this way.

[harsi]

You yourself showing how artificial this idea of Sanyasi. It is forbidden in Kali yuga. Do you think that when Nityananda Prabhu took two wifes he became less elavated.? Or when Dhruva maharaj took a wife he became less realised? And it is great that Hari got out from that artificial, concocted, useless status. Most of the Sanyasies nowadays are cheaters, and if one is wise he should go out from that artificial stage.

What I find somehow interesting in this relation is that Kamalamala writes many things one may find mentioned in some Indian scriptures or books from India and he gives tome the impression that he still considers himself a "disciple" who wants to defend or protect somehow his dear spiritual master or "guru". But as far as I understood from what Hari is saying in his lectures or mentioned in his comments to this forum, he doesn't want to be a "guru" anymore, in the traditional sense of the word as understood in India and the Hare Krishna movement, nor does he wants us to be his "disciples" anymore, in the way we may have understood this in the past. So why is Kamalamala really so upset with what is written by certain persons here.

Another thing some of us may find somehow unusual is that Hari speaks or writes about Radha Krishna and dedicated also a temple for their Lordships but I never could listen or read somewhere here how you may worship those deities or devote your time in devotion to Them, if at all. You and Hari never speak or write something like Krishna lila on this forum or something related to their Lordships and their "devotees" (I could not find another word yet). Of course you speak and write a lot about all kinds of abstract energies but what about God or the divine beings as persons? How do you offer your food (prasadam) to their Lordships. What mantras do you use, if at all. What is the temple program or time of Araties in the Saint Petersburg Radha Krishna temple. How do you worship the other Deities there? I never could read here how you may celebrate the various holydays, Gaur Purnima, Janmashtami etc, if you may do it at all. Some time ago I found on the Internet the Website of your "temple" in St. Petersburg. with a few pictures and some infos at http://www.gauranitai.info but now this website is also closed and used by someone else. So many questions I try to find out since a long time. But if you ask some questions in this regard you get back as answer only that you have a sectarian view or are a member of a destructive cult. Very strange or rather somehow unusual or unorthodox such a treatment isn't it?

[Nanda-grama]

I wrote what I felt.
Yes, Kamalamala writes abruptly, but it more amuses me because I know him good, in usual life he is gentle man. His "right anger" displays itself by such special way, but look his motivation. And he writes truth, isn't it?
Culture or cultured man for me is when person has pure motivation and he is honest and sensitive to other people. Simply to speak nice or correct words and to have polite or good manners but simultaneously to humiliate somebody or to act basely or not honestly with him- I think it is not culture. Of course, I have the "chivalrous complex" and when I see some injustice I go to a battle. But I feel so.

[prajalpaspeaker]

Thank you Harsi for trying to get the forum to lighten up on me. Yes the word "pussy" is a common word in Amerika used for someone who is too soft and easily offended. And i did tone it down for you all to "wussies" which just is a word that sounds the same to me.

Hari i feel, did "fall down" or is "fallen.

We were a society. It was like being in the Army, where you depend on the others who are amongst the members. He let us all down. He was in the highest of possible positions when he fell down. His falling was not that he stopped being a sanyasi, but that he just quit everything, leaving a large amount of people with lives turned upside down. (and a large amount of money gone to him, so i have heard) I have known other of my Godbrothers quit the sanyasa thing, i agree, it is not anything for men in age of Kali. The sanyasis took that position because they wanted it, they wanted the "subtle sex" of all women giving him respect, along with their husbands. They needed that because they were powerful politicians in a small group.

I never had a following, don't want it. I don't want everyone's respect. I just want to please Lord Sri Krsna, and his Supreme Servant, who does not fall down.

I am happy that mostly everyone has dealt with their out of control anger which was pointed at me mostly. If i help you vent, that is ok. I had a good time pushing some buttons, sorry, but it is true.

I did not know that Hari is still attracting followers, and i am sure that i do not know the full extent of things here. I apologize harimedia members

[Nanda-grama]

For Harsi:
I want to tell a litle about Kamalamala(I hope he will forgive me). In his flat there is big beatiful altar and wonderful Radha-Krishna and marvellous atmosphere. He specially moves to S-Peterburg from Moscow in Saturdays in order to do lectures for people. I think he has deep connection with Divine. But you want to know about rules and it is already "sectarian's" question. In general, curiosity is the main reason of your questions. But it sounds as questions:tell me about your relationships with closed beloved person! Why don't you tell how you with this person do this and that? You risk to get the answer:" stuped rascal!"
What is about me-I think about Hari more as about good friend, not "guru". But he teachs me, I learn from him.
For Pradjalpaspeaker:
It is already bored and foolishly! For what are you coming to here and repeating: "Hari is fallen, fallen, fallen"? Do you think he will become worse because your words or, may be, you will become better? You say that sanyasa is absurdity but blame the person who stoped this absurdity. You don't try to understand him, you don't want to listen to him or to read him, you don't know him. Why do you pretend to judge him? How much is it possibly to speak about statuses, positions and so on? Let look what people we are. What person are you? Now you show yourself as full envy, malice and not very clever man. For what do you need it? I feel disappointment and some disgust when I read you. Why aren't you satisfied by your life in such degree that you found some enjoyment to pour dirt on another man ?

[Sita]

Prajalpaspeaker - it's for you and your confederates!
To judge someone on anything – and what to skeak of judging someone else’s possition as
“fallen” or “not fallen” ! – one has to first of all place himself somehow ABOVE the judged one so that you can dare of speaking of this one from the “height” of your own position.
And if you can get what I mean here, this would only SPEAK for the arrogance and haughtiness of SUCH A SPEAKER!!!
So is not it better to follow the old and trusted WISDON of NOT TO JUDGE?!?!?!?
(at least you cat still pretend a sane person!)

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[harsi]

I apologize harimedia members

Ok, apology accepted. But what is your understanding regarding what you wrote?

Hari I feel, did "fall down" or is "fallen".

What is or should be the "problem" (I could not find another word yet) with him or that what he may share with us related to their Lordships or the Supreme? What does a person who supposed to be "fallen" or "fell down" mean to me or means to you and your understanding of spirituality and progressive spiritual growth, or "Krishna consciousness"?

A few days ago for example I "fell down" from the leader at my work. Somehow the leader I was leaning at the front of the house I had to do something started to shake and glided down. I "fell down" to earth with full speed from about 1 metre a halph. I was very lucky that I did not broke my leg or hands but when I landed on the soil I felt a great pain in my right leg. Indeed I dont know if it has something to do with our discussion here but believe it or not I had to remember you and your thread about "falling down".

The young daughter of my sister was falling in love a few weeks ago with a young men of her age. Since then she has only time and thoughts for him. Is she now also "fallen" or was "falling down" from somewhere..? People make this experience of falling in love or falling down from somewhere everywhere and all the time in the world should one consider them therefore all somehow "fallen" or somehow untouchable? We supposed have being "fallen down" from somewhere in the spiritual world, are we therefore all "fallen"? What does or could that mean at all to me, what does it mean to you or anyone in the world?

[kamalamala1]

All the joke Iscon so called sanyases trying hard to not remember sex
and most of there energy fixed on the sex from the oposit side, so who is fallen the housholder who realy doesnt care about sex
or this poor guys who are all day long fighting to avoid womans and sex desire,who hate womans and thinking that they will ever become close to understanding Radha.
[calibate can be realy very good thing if one himself growed and feeled that it so and need it,but to use it for getting position and power it such tweested seek concept, such a low class thing, why one should declare to whole warld that he celabate ,and put some cloths and marks o him? is nt it childish?]

One thing Prjalpa .. finaly understood.
That most of this sanyasy guys is into being warshiped and money and power,it exactly the most negative thing for sanyas idea, more negative then even real sex.

For you poor prajalpa... i understand that you also wanted to be warshiped since in your sect it is the real goal of most of the people in the sect,who have eyes he can see[ but not Harshi ],it is the real unconciouse
goal the present ISCON and even the old ISCON also in some way had and have,
not at all only Krsna and Radha,since evrybody want to become guru or sanyasy ,[why ? since it is the most warshipable position, most of them want to use Radha and Krsna and even Prabhupad and so called idea of parampara and so on for the position for to become warshipable],and you didnt succeed in that so you became just envious to the so called sanyases and gurus since they have desciples ,but you being also the so called godbrouther of them, you have only caws and maybe some goats instead of desciples..
And they are doing quite" well" guru buissnes making money and you have to strugle with your caws and goats in the fieds,and now finaly you got an apportunity to show yourself to all the warld how great you are
But you only showed how stupid you are.And you are doing it again and again.
You are like a craw wich is waithing that somebody fall down ,and
you will enjoy ,but in this case you failed totaly because the person you thought felt down actualy rised up, try for other your so called sanyasy god brothers maybe you will get more there.
Most of them already fallen for different reasons ,for example since they made it a buisness and way to be warshiped.So use your
envy in proper way.But you cannot since they are in power in ISCON and they can get you away from ISCON
[so you are not at all
fearless as somebody think about you,you are real coward,if you are real guy why you ddint put your real name in your stupid letters?]

And this is the deases not only for ISCON but most of the sects.

The real sincere people went away from that twisted groups they dont want to be parth for such a artifitial show.

And as you wrote Being in real power and being so much warshipable in Iscon Hari left it,and in reality this made him realy glowrious ,althought he didnt care about it.Can you imagine one in such a position left evrythying because of truth,afcourse you cannot imagine since your hearth ful of envie.But try ask yourself why he did that.
You dont know anything about Hari how and why all hapened with
him.Why you are writing things you dont know?
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First of all he didnt left anything and anybody, most of the people themself left him even didnt try to understand wath he is saying and why he is saying[including most his godbrothers mean GBC means ISCON], he destroyed just the idea wich is making him a cult and this was super great ,he was so brave that did that even he was so much
unfarly blamed and offended[since the idea of cult is the bases of ISCON and so called sanyases felt that they will end up, without thereown personality cult, as a begars ,since they have no capacity to wark and get there own liflyhood],
Actualy he did the heroic step wich realy made evrybody to think realy deeply and grow.He destroyed
the idea of cult in general since it is very harmful idea,
the idea of blind faith,the idea of iresponsible complitly dependable life wich is very harmful for spiritual evolution.
He opened our own intelegence our own wil our on motivation ,not
the Jagat Gurus or any gurus wil,after such a long slavory life hiden under the name or devotional service he gave us real freedom
to be ourselfs and be proud of our own personality { in good meaning of this ward] and do good things because our own wil, and not be somebodys zombie . he returned our lives to us [since in the sects evrybody think that there lifes belong to Jagat gurus or any gurus]
He got out all of us from the most harmfull and stupid idea of
beeing forever guilthy, forever stupid, wich the sects injecting in the hearths of all there members[Who have eyes he can see].
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And more then that he is giving wanderfull lectures and wanderfull meditation in wich we realy feel wath we was looking so many years and not only speculating like in ISCON,much more wanderful ,practical and usefull, then any lectures i ever heard in ISCON
He gave tons of metodology how to contact own soul and God.
There are so many things i can write in this regard ,but i think you doesnt need it at all.{Since if you needed you should have to listen his lectures and write other things then just trying to offend him