Reflections on the A-Z's of Life
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:23 am
What are your reflections on RESPONSIBILITY?
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How about "Reflections about our Quest for Enlightenment above the divine Supreme Being and all that what our own "spiritual" being could be in reality". Just my, Harsi´s two cents proposition to it...Auttareya wrote:Hari: What is your reflections on RESPONSIBILITY?
First point: Not Hari is asking about Responsibility but I am asking him about his reflections on Responsibility. Therefore please take more care on what you are reading.harsi wrote:How about "Reflections about our Quest for Enlightenment above the divine Supreme Being and all that what our own "spiritual" being could be in reality". Just my, Harsi´s two cents proposition to it...Auttareya wrote:Hari: What is your reflections on RESPONSIBILITY?
I understand you very well dear Auttareya, what I have some problems to understand, and I am asking now from "disciple" to "disciple" whatever that means to you or anyone else out there, what do you think his "responsibility" was or is in regard to you, or you are of the opinion that he "made" concerning your person, in front of God or Their Lordships Radha-Krishna ?Auttareya wrote:First point: Not Hari is asking about Responsibility but I am asking him about his reflections on Responsibility. Therefore please take more care on what you are reading.
Forth point: There are different kinds of responsibilities but the most special responsibility is that, which is made before God and exactly about this kind of Responsibility I am asking him.
In retrospect I do not think that very many people appreciate the seriousness of oathtaking, for if they did then few would have taken them. An oath is binding. One can only be released from it through the other parties permission, through the release of one from one's oath by them.harsi wrote:I understand you very well dear Auttareya, what I have some problems to understand, and I am asking now from "disciple" to "disciple" whatever that means to you or anyone else out there, what do you think his "responsibility" was or is in regard to you, or you are of the opinion that he "made" concerning your person, in front of God or Their Lordships Radha-Krishna ?Auttareya wrote:First point: Not Hari is asking about Responsibility but I am asking him about his reflections on Responsibility. Therefore please take more care on what you are reading.
Forth point: There are different kinds of responsibilities but the most special responsibility is that, which is made before God and exactly about this kind of Responsibility I am asking him.
I am just curious what some of my "Godbrothers" think in this regard.
I personaly have no problems whatsoever with what you see as a "problem". Please feel free to elaborate moore on it, if you so desire, of course.
I like your way of writing very much dear Janus, you are a very learned man with whom one can discuss any issue of knowledge very open.Janus wrote: In Nectar of Instruction it is said that the disciple should examine a prospective guru to determine his qualification before accepting him, let the buyer beware. What matters it if someone gives you promise that he will take you back to Godhead if he is only in delusion about his qualification to fulfill that promise?
Are you advocate of Harikeś?GPandit wrote:Personally, I never...
Maybe yes, maybe not. Maybe my attitude is this or maybe that. Maybe he has heard this question or maybe not. Maybe he will answer or maybe he will not.GPandit wrote:Maybe your attitude would lead someone like Hari to not answer your question. Did you ever think that way? Probably not, it's too important to you. Maybe he has heard this question a lot of times, and it is answered in another thread. I really don't know. What I do know is this: my comments are not solely meant for you, it's me expressing an opinion. I plan to continue to exercise this privelege; hopefully you can deal with it.
I dont know what your occupation is dear Auttareya, for maintaining yourself and your family, but would I react the way you are doing here in achieving your goals, I guess my clients would send me home...Auttareya wrote:Maybe yes, maybe not. Maybe my attitude is this or maybe that. Maybe he has heard this question or maybe not. Maybe he will answer or maybe he will not.
If you really don't know, simply stop your speculations.
Certainly you are right. Thanks for your sincere advice but I have not any problem, maybe that my English is too poor to communicate with you properly. Please take on it correction.harsi wrote:I guess what I want to say by this, is that there is also a right way and one wich is not so good in achieving ones goals and ones hearts desires, whatever that may be, for you its important to get an convincing answer from Hari, in this your problem for someone else there might be something else to achieve in ones life. I guess that one has to concentrate also on the "how´s" and not only on the "why not".
Yes, I do, but I am also remember that I am free to do it. I hope that Harikeś also feels similarly.harsi wrote:By the way, I also wait for an answer from you, dear Auttareya, do you remember?
The similarities between clinical psychology, in its relation between patient and therapist and the relationship between guru and disciple, as most people in ISKCON are familiar with it, is that dual relationships are frowned upon. In psychology it is illegal in most sates for a therapist to date his own patient for example.harsi wrote:I like your way of writing very much dear Janus, you are a very learned man with whom one can discuss any issue of knowledge very open.Janus wrote: In Nectar of Instruction it is said that the disciple should examine a prospective guru to determine his qualification before accepting him, let the buyer beware. What matters it if someone gives you promise that he will take you back to Godhead if he is only in delusion about his qualification to fulfill that promise?
Therefore I would know your opinion about why do you think that someone should "take you back to Godhead". Would it not be moore apropiate to say I come close to this, my spiritual goal by using the knowledge and understanding I may get from it, by a qualified person, as a "guru" or guide for making progress in this endeaver of mine, if it is indeed so.?
divyam jnanam yato dadvatGPandit wrote:Personally, I never saw it or felt it as: guru promises to take disciple back home, back to Godhead. More realistically, the guru gives some tools and instruction in use of the tools. The disciple then has the chance and opportunity to use such tools for self-realization..
One breaks an oath in the same way as one breaks a promise, by simply not doing what one has taken an oath or made a promise to do. For isstance' if one has taken an oath not to harm anyone and then goes about laying waste to crops, making cattle and women barren, etc., for whatever reason, then it is considered that one has become an oathbreaker (or a Warlock in my tradition).GPandit wrote: I wonder how one breaks an oath? By not chanting Hare Krishna a certain of number of times per day? Maybe the disciple has found that "tool" is no longer working well for him. So, he/she uses another method that works better. I don't see how it is helpful or nurturing to pine about "oaths", broken or not. But how are you progressing on your own, individualized path.